0001671: Last pre-release crashes - SphereServer BugTracker

(0000298)
Coruja (developer)
02-11-09 05:52

But a unknow bug cannot be fixed, since it's unknow :D

(0000299)
Balrog (reporter)
02-11-09 07:56

Well... It's not unknown. It is due to a change made in the last year. That's a problem for throwing a release long time ago. Whatever, the bug may be fixed or the future releases won't be useful. This release isn't useful due to this error, and all the hard work can't be enjoyed if it isn't fixed.

(0000301)
Fire-Dragon-DoL (reporter)
14-11-09 19:35

Can you understand when this happen ? (approximately?) do you have any script that could make it crash?Is a bit hard to find out where the problem is...

(0000302)
Balrog (reporter)
14-11-09 19:56

It is not any script because I am using the last year release and sphere is running for months (>100 players online). If I use the last release, it won't run for more than a few hours. I cannot figure where the problem is, but is is due to any of the changes from last year. That's the problem for releasing a version once a year with such a list of changes.

I would ask the developers a effort in this because nobody wants their work being forgotten, and if this isn't fixed the future releases won't work either. I really would like to test the last changes. They're very good!

Please, devs, could anyone of you answer to this topic? :(

(0000303)
Fire-Dragon-DoL (reporter)
15-11-09 02:44

That's not true, we had a script that started giving problems after 6 months (SIX)...

By the way it could be something in changes that you use inside scripts so the updated things could have a bug, this is why I asked...

You must at least say what was happening when these crashes came out, otherwise 1 year of changes become bad... however with nightly builds you get each change each week... I don't see the point for "1 year of changes"

(0000305)
Balrog (reporter)
15-11-09 02:54

I am using the 2008 release now and having no problems. There are no crashes in months. I installed the 2009 release for two days and had 3 crashes. Then, returned to 2008 release and all worked OK. I have been using sphere since 2002, so I'm not a newbie. I know what I'm talking about.

(0000306)
Fire-Dragon-DoL (reporter)
15-11-09 04:10

I'm not saying you are newbie or something like that, I'm saying that if you understand which script causes the crash (and _NOT_ because you did something wrong), we can understand which implemented feature created the problem (or which bugfixes!) nothing more... because debugging all features implemented in 1 year is too much...

(0000307)
Balrog (reporter)
15-11-09 04:24

Oh, sorry so, I didn't understand you. I don't know which script is because the crash is random, when there are a lot of players online and I cannot detect it. Sorry :S

(0000308)
Fire-Dragon-DoL (reporter)
15-11-09 04:29

Uhm... that's a problem...
IF for a "lucky strike" you understand something about what was happening will be a great help
...Do you remember something special that you added with newest feature? (ok, hoping too much :P )

(0000309)
Balrog (reporter)
15-11-09 04:34

I only change the .exe and run sphere. With the old one, it runs smoothly. With the newer one, it crashes randomly without giving any clues on the logs. I cannot see any information :(

(0000310)
Coruja (developer)
15-11-09 05:13

Thats the point, a unknown bug can't be fixed, theres no way to fix a problem that you doesnt know what is it.
Everyone here already know about this crash problem, but this situation doesnt mean nothing. The problem will be fixed only when someone discover 'what is' and 'what causes' it.

(0000329)
torfo (administrator)
09-12-09 10:42

Does it appear just on Windows?
Do you use any new features (lists or something like that)?
Could there be any relation to fighting chars?
Does anyone run sphere on windows with a debuger (like VC)?

(0000330)
Coruja (developer)
09-12-09 16:20

How I enable this thing? I must use -e on program properties?

- Added: -E to command line. Starting Sphere with it will enable the ExceptionDumper
that will generate a .map file on unexpected exceptions. Sending that file through
the bugtracker will help us in the debug process. (thx to Z.)

(0001924)
Ben (manager)
18-01-14 19:27

unknown...

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
30-10-09 18:52	Balrog	New Issue
30-10-09 18:52	Balrog	Nightly Version	=> 20-09-2009
30-10-09 18:52	Balrog	Experimental Flags	=> None
30-10-09 18:52	Balrog	Option Flags	=> None
02-11-09 05:52	Coruja	Note Added: 0000298
02-11-09 07:56	Balrog	Note Added: 0000299
14-11-09 19:35	Fire-Dragon-DoL	Note Added: 0000301
14-11-09 19:56	Balrog	Note Added: 0000302
15-11-09 02:44	Fire-Dragon-DoL	Note Added: 0000303
15-11-09 02:54	Balrog	Note Added: 0000305
15-11-09 04:10	Fire-Dragon-DoL	Note Added: 0000306
15-11-09 04:24	Balrog	Note Added: 0000307
15-11-09 04:29	Fire-Dragon-DoL	Note Added: 0000308
15-11-09 04:34	Balrog	Note Added: 0000309
15-11-09 05:13	Coruja	Note Added: 0000310
09-12-09 10:42	torfo	Note Added: 0000329
09-12-09 11:24	torfo	Issue Monitored: torfo
09-12-09 16:20	Coruja	Note Added: 0000330
09-12-09 17:35	Incanus	Issue Monitored: Incanus
18-01-14 19:27	Ben	Note Added: 0001924
18-01-14 19:27	Ben	Status	new => closed
18-01-14 19:27	Ben	Assigned To	=> Ben
18-01-14 19:27	Ben	Resolution	open => unable to reproduce

Notes
(0000298) Coruja (developer) 02-11-09 05:52	But a unknow bug cannot be fixed, since it's unknow :D

(0000299) Balrog (reporter) 02-11-09 07:56	Well... It's not unknown. It is due to a change made in the last year. That's a problem for throwing a release long time ago. Whatever, the bug may be fixed or the future releases won't be useful. This release isn't useful due to this error, and all the hard work can't be enjoyed if it isn't fixed.

(0000301) Fire-Dragon-DoL (reporter) 14-11-09 19:35	Can you understand when this happen ? (approximately?) do you have any script that could make it crash?Is a bit hard to find out where the problem is...

(0000302) Balrog (reporter) 14-11-09 19:56	It is not any script because I am using the last year release and sphere is running for months (>100 players online). If I use the last release, it won't run for more than a few hours. I cannot figure where the problem is, but is is due to any of the changes from last year. That's the problem for releasing a version once a year with such a list of changes. I would ask the developers a effort in this because nobody wants their work being forgotten, and if this isn't fixed the future releases won't work either. I really would like to test the last changes. They're very good! Please, devs, could anyone of you answer to this topic? :(

(0000303) Fire-Dragon-DoL (reporter) 15-11-09 02:44	That's not true, we had a script that started giving problems after 6 months (SIX)... By the way it could be something in changes that you use inside scripts so the updated things could have a bug, this is why I asked... You must at least say what was happening when these crashes came out, otherwise 1 year of changes become bad... however with nightly builds you get each change each week... I don't see the point for "1 year of changes"

(0000305) Balrog (reporter) 15-11-09 02:54	I am using the 2008 release now and having no problems. There are no crashes in months. I installed the 2009 release for two days and had 3 crashes. Then, returned to 2008 release and all worked OK. I have been using sphere since 2002, so I'm not a newbie. I know what I'm talking about.

(0000306) Fire-Dragon-DoL (reporter) 15-11-09 04:10	I'm not saying you are newbie or something like that, I'm saying that if you understand which script causes the crash (and _NOT_ because you did something wrong), we can understand which implemented feature created the problem (or which bugfixes!) nothing more... because debugging all features implemented in 1 year is too much...

(0000307) Balrog (reporter) 15-11-09 04:24	Oh, sorry so, I didn't understand you. I don't know which script is because the crash is random, when there are a lot of players online and I cannot detect it. Sorry :S

(0000308) Fire-Dragon-DoL (reporter) 15-11-09 04:29	Uhm... that's a problem... IF for a "lucky strike" you understand something about what was happening will be a great help ...Do you remember something special that you added with newest feature? (ok, hoping too much :P )

(0000309) Balrog (reporter) 15-11-09 04:34	I only change the .exe and run sphere. With the old one, it runs smoothly. With the newer one, it crashes randomly without giving any clues on the logs. I cannot see any information :(

(0000310) Coruja (developer) 15-11-09 05:13	Thats the point, a unknown bug can't be fixed, theres no way to fix a problem that you doesnt know what is it. Everyone here already know about this crash problem, but this situation doesnt mean nothing. The problem will be fixed only when someone discover 'what is' and 'what causes' it.

(0000329) torfo (administrator) 09-12-09 10:42	Does it appear just on Windows? Do you use any new features (lists or something like that)? Could there be any relation to fighting chars? Does anyone run sphere on windows with a debuger (like VC)?

(0000330) Coruja (developer) 09-12-09 16:20	How I enable this thing? I must use -e on program properties? - Added: -E to command line. Starting Sphere with it will enable the ExceptionDumper that will generate a .map file on unexpected exceptions. Sending that file through the bugtracker will help us in the debug process. (thx to Z.)

(0001924) Ben (manager) 18-01-14 19:27	unknown...

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