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0002537SphereServerexecutable - genericpublic13-07-15 21:1930-10-15 18:01
Assigned ToXuN 
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Target VersionFixed in Version0.56c Nightly 
Summary0002537: swordsmanship and wrestling don't increase
DescriptionSkills don't increase.
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Nightly VersionAutomated (specify build number)
Experimental FlagsNone
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Internal Build Number2364
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lazarus (reporter)
13-07-15 23:12

Neither fencing, tactics, archery, Macefighting, any skill (neither anatomy, begging... etc) ... Something weird's happening.

(and doesn't works very good, because if you have 0 you can't hit just like ANYTHING)

Last build.
Rizz (reporter)
13-07-15 23:27

@gain is triggering but none can really improve
Rizz (reporter)
13-07-15 23:51
edited on: 13-07-15 23:52

I think there is a problemi with the default argn value, in this way is working

if <local.Swordsmanship>==0
ARGN2=<eval 220000/<local.Swordsmanship>>

darksun84 (reporter)
14-07-15 14:26

Revision 2382, non-combat skill increase for me, combat skills doesn't increase because of the high chance of miss.

I think the new hit chance formula have a problem.

In the revision is written:
New Hit Chance combat formula (more info: [^])

According to Stratics formula, i should have a 100% chance of hitting when i have 100 in a combat skill and the defender 0, instead the actual hit chance is around 50% miss / 50% hit. Interesting to note that if i have 25.0 in the combat skill and the defender has 0, i still should have a 100% hit chance, but actually the hit chance is much much lower.

This also happens when both values are equal, you should have a 50% chance of hitting the target, this seems true when both attacker and defender combat skills are around 50.0% but at low low value of skills the hit chance seems a lot lot lower.
darksun84 (reporter)
14-07-15 16:57
edited on: 14-07-15 17:24

I managed to made a "small benchmark", the results probably aren't 100% accurate but they should give an idea about the high miss chances of the new formula.

First test:
Attacker skill: wrestling 1.2
Defender skill: macefighting 0.0

I should get around 52% hit chance with that values
Total Hits: 25/1280 (1.953125) - Total Misses: 1254/1280 (97.968750)

Second test:

Attacker skill: wrestling 100.0
Defender Skill: macefighting 0.0

My chance should be around 100%
Total Hits: 665/1280 (51.953125) - Total Misses: 616/1280 (48.125000)

Third test(weirdest result) :

Attacker skill: wrestling 0.0
Defender skill: wrestling 100.0

I should have an 8% chance of hitting target
16:52:(sphere_skills.scp,1431)Total Hits: 412/1280 (32.187500) - Total Misses: 868/1280 (67.812500)

lazarus (reporter)
14-07-15 18:58

it's insane. The miss chances and the skillgain chances need to be fixed ='( hope Coruja comes and save us hahahaa.

Thanks for the work darksun, like ever <3
Coruja (developer)
16-07-15 22:54

theres a difference between miss and block the attack, you're testing only the hit chance but not the block chance

the combat behavior works like this:

IF (hit)
  IF (blocked)

but anyway I found a weird issue calling twice the hit chance formula, making all chars have a double chance to miss attacks. Next nightly will be released in some minutes with this fix, maybe it will fix this combat problem
lazarus (reporter)
18-07-15 19:22
edited on: 18-07-15 19:22

Still have so much missing. Can you implement a system to get back to last formulas?

And the wrestling, sword, mace, fencing skills doesn't raise..

[hope this can be resolved :P]

Rizz (reporter)
19-07-15 11:58

Tell us when it's fixed
Shinaa (reporter)
19-07-15 14:33

I think that something is wrong with the gainchance for combat skills overall, not related to the miss problem (which of course increases the problem).
I had the following happen:
Tactics has ADV_RATE=1.0,10.0,60.0,150.0,450.0,950.0
Wrestling has ADV_RATE=1.0,10.0,60.0,115.0,325.0,700.0

I set ACTDIFF in @HitTry to value of Wrestling, all skills were 50.0:
At first both skills increased like crazy, gainchance (argn2 at @SKILLGAIN) was something like 2000+, Tactics having a higher chance then Wrestling, which already made no sense to me, but after a few percent Tactics gain dropt to zero.
Then I tried not setting ACTDIFF to a set value, which of course increased the misses, but even when I actually hit, gainchance was often 0 at diffrent skilllevels.

I think the new formula sets ACTDIFF to values that cause the gaincalculations to go wrong, often resulting in zero chance to gain.
Skillgain function always had some problems with this, having ACTDIFF values higher than your skill for example, even if the skill would not fail because of it, would often result in zero gainchance.
lazarus (reporter)
22-07-15 19:29

Tried the old formulas of actdiff that XuN shared in forums...
That formulas are wrong. Something weird is happening there. (no errors but bad calculations about actdiff)

hope this get fixed soon :'(
XuN (developer)
30-10-15 18:01

This has been fixed in last rev, gain checks will be done with a minimum of 5.0 skill to prevent it to fail.

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
13-07-15 21:19 Rizz New Issue
13-07-15 23:12 lazarus Note Added: 0002919
13-07-15 23:27 Rizz Note Added: 0002922
13-07-15 23:51 Rizz Note Added: 0002924
13-07-15 23:52 Rizz Note Edited: 0002924 View Revisions
14-07-15 14:26 darksun84 Note Added: 0002925
14-07-15 16:57 darksun84 Note Added: 0002926
14-07-15 16:58 darksun84 Note Edited: 0002926 View Revisions
14-07-15 17:24 darksun84 Note Edited: 0002926 View Revisions
14-07-15 18:58 lazarus Note Added: 0002927
16-07-15 22:54 Coruja Note Added: 0002930
18-07-15 19:22 lazarus Note Added: 0002931
18-07-15 19:22 lazarus Note Edited: 0002931 View Revisions
19-07-15 11:58 Rizz Note Added: 0002932
19-07-15 14:33 Shinaa Note Added: 0002933
22-07-15 19:29 lazarus Note Added: 0002934
30-10-15 18:01 XuN Note Added: 0002990
30-10-15 18:01 XuN Status new => resolved
30-10-15 18:01 XuN Fixed in Version => 0.56c Nightly
30-10-15 18:01 XuN Resolution open => fixed
30-10-15 18:01 XuN Assigned To => XuN

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